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I might be missing something but when I went to their site they are more expensive than Claude. Why would I pick GLM over Claude? Is it they just offer more tokens in their plans?

    > Why would I pick GLM over Claude?
To support the company that makes their model weights available for download, while Anthropic lobbies to restrict access.

What are you referring to? Given the audience, my instinct is to assume "plan" refers to the GLM Coding Plans, which are all cheaper than their Anthropic counterparts. As far as I can tell, the API costs are also all cheaper than their roughly equivalently capable Anthropic models.

Anthropic: 17 USD (pro), 100 USD (max)

GLM: 80 USD (pro), 168 USD (max) -> with "limited-time event" discount this becomes 56 USD and 117.6 USD

I also don't understand why are they so much costlier, and I would also like to give it a try.


The $17 figure is Anthropic's monthly cost if purchased annually. I'll use monthly numbers.

Anthropic's Pro is $20 and corresponds to Z.ai's Lite at $18

Anthropic's 5x Max is $100 and corresponds to Z.ai's Pro at $80

Anthropic's 20x Max is $200 and corresponds to Z.ai's Max at $168


Not to digress from the core argument of Claude vs GLM being open weights….

I have both plans. Claude monthly €20 and Z’s €18 monthly. Running GLM-5.3 high on their monthly plan will hit quotas absurdly fast compared to Opus 5 High on Claude code. It’s almost unusable for AI driven development. I ended up using the Z plan for using GLM-5.3 as a detailed security reviewer and adversarial feedback. For that, it is much better than Opus which will flag and bail out for even simple security tasks that are aimed at defense.


on the 18€ plan they really want people to use Flash and skip the bigger thing.

Perhaps..

But, it was enough for a customer like me who tried them at good faith to walk away and find their competitors..

I like the diversity of LLMs as of today and prefer to not tie myself to one big plan with any vendor. If they don’t prefer me as a customer, then I will accept that, and move away.


yeah, absolutely. myself i'm enjoying their cheapest plan, and pay api prices for other models to fill in the gaps.

> Anthropic: 17 USD (pro), 100 USD (max) GLM: 80 USD (pro), 168 USD (max) -> with "limited-time event" discount this is 56 USD and 117.6 USD

GLM's "Max" plan is (was?) equivalent to 3x Claude's 20x ($200) plan.


Just use GLM-5.3 Flash via OpenRouter. It's dirt cheap especially relative to how capable it is. While the Z.ai coding plan was a decent deal in the past I always ran into limiting with it and since I use it intermittently for personal projects my usage wasn't always enough to make the math work - the a la carte pricing via OpenRouter makes this a non-issue.

There's also a new free stealth model available that's more likely than not in the GLM family. This seems to happen every few months for a week or two and represents a good savings opportunity.


And exactly how many tokens (please do the breakdown for prefill vs decode) does a Claude $20/month plan include?

For one you would have to use Claude if you pick it. But seriously there is no way for you to determine if one is a better offer than the other, when the usage/tokens/credits are vague, detached, and won't tell you much without trying both.

because GLM does what Clauden't

At this point you have to just factor bots into your marketing costs. You have to go by overall cost per acquisition not cost per click.

If it gets too embedded into the revenues of the car companies, regulators are going to have a hard time making it required without a subscription. It could be that you just either have a car with a monthly payment or you don't.

Or just make the car more expensive up front? That's what all the other regulations do.

Have you been successful with the lowball offers? That would help indicate where the supply/demand for them are.


As long as there are enough people than there will be a market. I think there are a lot of people that prefer human but don't want the human cost.


To be honest they are paid a full salary. Tipped wage does not preclude the minimum wage. In addition there are many states like CA that do not have a tipped wage.


> Tipped wage does not preclude the minimum wage.

Likely depends on the state, but in many states, traditionally tipped positions have a different, lower, minimum wage than non-traditionally tipped positions.


You still have to pay federal minimum wage. Tipped wages does not get around that. If you do not make up the difference in tips your employer has to pay the difference.


Actually not. In my state and others, when a business is designated as accepting tips, the workers can be paid less than minimum wage, while expecting that the tips they collect will make up for it.

So it’s really a way to extort good tips from customers, because it’s understood that our gratuities are the only way they can make minimum wage!


In every state I am aware of employers are required to gross up to minimum wage if tips fall short. Yours is likely the same.


A friend in Southern California worked for a restaurant in Disneyland. Her employer calculated what they felt each waitstaff should have earned and had all of them pay up for sub-tips go cooks and busboys. Refusal to do so was grounds for termination. She had several days where the end of the shift had her net pay her employer due to non or low tipping that day.

That was grossing up for her. Illegal? Likely. "But they have laws against that" - low wage employees are easily taken advantage of. They often _need_ that job.


How long will a business employ a waiter that is tipped so badly?


We are talking about whether you as a customer should feel bad about not tipping. If customers don't tip that is not going to result in one waiter suddenly receiving much less in tips than others.


It is because you are leaving money on the table if you don't ask for more money. The hyper maximizing money is what needs to stop.


The only way its going to stop is if there are consequences for asking too much.


Being anti-speed cam do not mean pro speeding. I am anti breaking the law but I don't think we need surveillance everywhere to stop it.


I don't know what you're responding to, but it's not my statement.

Nobody said anything about being anti-speed-cam. The context is being pro-speed-cam.


I have always dreamed about operating an excavator and learning to do so well. I am not sure if it was a midlife crisis or what but I ended up buying a Chinese 2 ton excavator. I live in the suburbs but when I just want to clear my head I go in the backyard and play around with it. My skills have improved a little but nothing like putting 140 hours on a project good. The one I got was about the same as a U17 but less than half the price.


There are places in (or around) Las Vegas where you can operate heavy equipment in a playground setting. You can dig holes or smash cars or just push dirt around. I'm thinking about spending an afternoon there next time I go.


Dig This Las Vegas! Charged me $750 to smash up a car. Tons of fun!


So the TikTok memes about an "emotional support excavator" are real!


> I ended up buying a Chinese 2 ton excavator. I live in the suburbs but when I just want to clear my head I go in the backyard and play around with it.

That's easily the most awesome thing I've read on the Internet today!

...how do your neighbors feel about it?


They have so many support vessels and they have a shadow ship there were plenty of resources to help out safely.


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