And of course those criticisms can and should be dismissed if the creators goals are purely to maximize engagement

No that _is_ the criticism

You can dismiss criticisms of theft if you look at the goals of the thiefs

The goal of purely maximizing engagement should itself be dismissed.

Lying, grifting, and promoting conspiracies online also maximizes engagement and drives revenue. I guess we should go ahead and do that too.

This whole conversation makes me want to throw up

This does make me wonder if I'm being disillusioned or if the community has genuinely shifted in the past 2–3 years or so. Or of this merely a greater societal shift as "history culture" takes off. You'd think sentiments like "clickbait is bad" would be a common sentiment here, but now I'm not so sure anymore.

I don't think its specific to the community here. Seems the whole world has decided that everyone should be a grifter.

I feel very similarly. I would’ve assumed we all obviously don’t want all this chaff in our lives

Yeah, sadly most people don’t know or don’t care most likely.

Unless it’s in their face causing them friction they will just continue to use it as an appliance.

Yeah if kids are sufficiently motivated all it takes is one vial YouTube tutorial.

I don't see the relation here, to be honest. How is immigration enforcement about racists wanting to be lazy?

The people paying illegal immigrants minimal wages under the table are far more analogous to slave owners in my mind.

So confusing how holding people in confinement, starving them, and selling their labor to others without compensation gets people tossing the word "slavery" around. Obviously it's the people paying wages to voluntary workers without giving the government a cut that are the real slavers!

ICE enforcement was almost completely stopped at the very beginning of this administration in all rural farm areas.

> The people paying illegal immigrants minimal wages under the table are far more analogous to slave owners in my mind.

Are you unaware that the slaveowners did not pay their slaves, at all?

Like modern-day ICE detainees forced to work...

So this is a competitor to something like OpenCode or Pi? I suspect for most developers, they are using Claude Code or Codex CLI mainly just so they don't have to pay-per-token and can use the subscription products - which I assume can't be done with Warp Agent?

Warp engineer here - yes, you can use OpenCode or Pi as comparison points; our CLI has BYOK, Supergrok subscription support, or our own inference to connect to frontier / open weight.

The main reason you might try it is the shell access. We made CLI commands runnable in an agent session in the foreground, similar to our terminal agent. It means you can `cd` into different directories during the session, or run interactive commands like vim or REPLs in the session. One reason is convenience (it's nicer to cd around projects and keep the conversation going) and another is visibility (you can run a REPL in the foreground and tag in an agent to help and control that REPL). We're curious how others like working this way. It's pretty convenient.

The codex and many other subscriptions can be used with other harnesses like OpenCode and pi. It's officially supported most of the time. Using my Codex and MiniMax sub just fine in pi.

Yeah Anthropic is the only company I am aware of that only allows subscription usage in first party products

Google as well.

I suspect most developers don’t care too much about cost because they’re just using what their company is just paying for whatever enterprise subscription/billing.

Well someone (like me) has to make the decision what their developers get to use, and that was in fact informed by subscription pricing vs. API cost.

I think you may be confusing 'the right' more broadly with the current Republican party. There are absolutely coherent conservative viewpoints that mirror/oppose those that we consider 'the left', which aren't "reactionary" by nature.

I’m not sure you realize that you:

- Posted a reactionary/default negative expression

- Leaned on code-heavy lexicon

- Did not offer a coherent position an AI could meaningfully process

The ephemerality of right wing corpus is a poor fit for the mechanics of AI.

What is "reality"? Is there really any such thing as ground truth for most things?

> What is "reality"? Is there really any such thing as ground truth for most things?

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Dick

It’s too bad we didn’t start out with Deno

This is an absurd statement. A “kill list”? Please.

The blame should be on Microsoft and LG, both.