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Really fun model! Thanks for opening up access as quickly as you are.

Appreciate you trying it and commenting. And I'm sorry that you hit this bug on first contact. My goal is to have a dead-simple UX, not waste your time trying to get it working. Heck, the whole point of Rocky Surf is convenience.

I've filed this as a bug.

Per your comment about the documentation - I agree that the docs aren't great for humans. In fact, they're meant to be read by agents, not humans. But I don't make this clear anywhere.

During this build, my development agents were instructed to be verbose with documentation. I find that this improves code quality and architectural consistency across multiple agent sessions - Rocky Surf was built over hundreds of agent sessions. The trade-off is that there's too much for humans to read.

As I got closer to release, I read, edited, and pruned a considerable amount of verbiage, but stopped short of making concise docs a release requirement. But the fact that you noticed that a particular doc was 40 pages tells me that I didn't value your time as much as I should have. Duly noted.

Development and new releases will continue since I use Rocky Surf all the time. In fact, I recently found that it pairs nicely with Herdr https://x.com/jbdamask/status/2099110104037494963?s=20

Thanks again for trying it and commenting. You didn't have to give me feedback but you did, and that's really nice.


An associated plugin, https://github.com/jbdamask/modern-software-engineering-in-a..., is available to audit codebases against the principles.

I find the perspective is a useful complement to standard code reviews.


pfft...I'm way past understanding


Overstanding is the new horizon


That's already been co-opted by the sovereign citizen movement, so use with caution lest you be judged for it.


Its been used by a lot of fringe types since the 1960s, and was at one time popular among Rastafarians. It's also a little used sailing term. Here it functions merely as satire.


You have to overstand before you can overwalk.


Not sure why this is surprising. Language is a communication protocol


Enterprises need a solution like Lovable or Replit if only for the one-touch deployments. Unfortunately, neither tool is there.

I don't know what's taking Anthropic, OpenAI, Google, Microsoft, even AWS to build deployments themselves. There are only a handful of reference architectures for vibe-coded apps.


There is too much friction in deploying internal tools. I have been building https://github.com/openrundev/openrun to solve that. Full GitOps (create/update your app through GitOps, not just updating app source code), staged deployments, service bindings (for getting a managed database credential, instead of creating a new database per app) and OIDC/SAML with RBAC.


Very interesting project! I haven't fully read through yet - does it deploy to existing resources/infra, or does it handle resource/compute provisioning as well? How are you handling keys/creds?

Do you have any real users yet?

I'm working on a open resource/compute provisioning protocol/system (not released yet), targeting both cloud platforms as well as internal, which may go hand-in-hand with what you're building.


OpenRun runs on a single machine, with either Docker or Podman. All apps runs on that one machine. Idle apps are scaled down to zero, so resource usage is low even when hundreds of apps are installed. For scaling up, OpenRun can be deployed on Kubernetes. Each app deployed through OpenRun gets created as a Kubernetes deployment, again with scaling down to zero. Same declarative config moves from singe node to Kubernetes, no changes required.

I don't have any telemetry, so not sure about number of users. Based on issues filed, lots of users using the single node deployment (which is good enough for most use cases). Started with Streamlit/Gradio type apps, now users are actually using it for deploying vibe coded internal tools. See https://github.com/openrundev/openrun/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20...


IMO you should evolve also as a central platform to host AND build internal tools (eg with agents). Have you considered that? EDIT oh snap I see in the console tour that there's an AI App Builder section. Ok gonna have to try this out then!

Also does your git integration support self-hosted Bitbucket (I guess at the least generic git instance not just GitHub etc) ?

Also, pretty cool that you have a FastHTML spec.. I built this (well AI mostly did) with FastHTML: https://hn-readtheroom.exe.xyz/


The agent based app builder is pretty new, still improving it. It runs with Agent Client Protocol (ACP), with integrations for Claude Code, Codex CLI, OpenCode and Pi.


Thanks! That's sounds excellent. I love the Shelley Web Agent ( https://GitHub.com/boldsoftware/Shelley ), but guessing it would be hard to integrate that into your platform (although would be amazing if you could).

Also any feedback on the Git question?


Custom agents can be added if it supports ACP, the console UI has the config options for that.

I have tested with GitHub and GitLab. OpenRun uses the go-git library, so BitBucket should work, not tried it yet.

FastHTML is great for internal tools use case.


Great, appreciate the feedback ty


OpenAI has a feature they rolled out several weeks ago called Sites that takes care of deployment with one click (hosting, database, auth). It’s so much easier for non-technical now to vibe code and publish their app


one click deployments are stupid and useless. you should have the agent walk you through building the deployment scripts and process.


I use AI explainers a lot in my own projects and have skills that give outputs I like. I'll even pipe the output into NotebookLM to make a video sometimes. This is actually a decent way to grok complex subsystems (YMMV).

What I don't care for is the pretty-yet-verbose HTML outputs that I see from some teams. They can be way too long and it's often the case that the engineer who made it didn't read the whole thing.


Those HTML reports are almost always filled with fluff.

As someone who likes a nicely designed report document, slapping a coat of paint on slop output isn’t helpful


Any linkedin devs here? Would be interesting to hear about the algos


oh that would be interestin


Flowise was cool. I used to to help build an enterprise employee search tool with it a few years back. https://medium.com/better-programming/employee-search-with-o...

The fact is, there's not as much need for drag-n-drop low code tools anymore. At least I don't have much need.


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