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This is amazing. Kudos to the team behind it I mean, sucks for advertisers and is utterly deceitful… but genius!


About time

Hard to think of a modern institution as corrupt as fifa. That may not bother too many people because it’s not their government, but I just think it stinks


FIFA has been monstrously corrupt since at least as far back as the 1970s (Havelange).

I backslid this year, but did completely boycott watching in 2018 and 2022. Russia is a pariah state and should never have been allowed to host, and Qatar was manifestly unsuitable.

The only difference this year is that the bribery and political favors were out in the open.


There are levels to it. Sepp Blatter was notoriously corrupt, but Infantino makes his "envelope full of cash under the table" style of corruption look amateurish.


Even in the festering pit of slime that is FIFA, Infantino stands out for his festeringdom and slimitude.


Qatar may not be a pariah state but it should be.


Why?



Yes it's bad. Unfortunately a lot of countries are like this. Until we stop buying oil there's no way to make them change.


> Why?

>> Slavery

> Yes it's bad.

Are you just learning about the slavery or did you know about it when you asked why.


I knew about it. I also knew Qatar isn't the only one. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafala_system. So I wondered if it was something else on top of that.

Saudi Arabia and the UAE have similar records on human rights and treatment of foreign workers.

Further afield there's Mauritania: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritania#Modern_slavery


Yes, they all should be pariah states.


Russia a pariah state, as opposed to the US. Good thing freedom won and the US was allowed to host.


What an excellent example of the most Russian thing of all: whataboutism.


Whataboutism is a word invented to deflect any criticism of western hypocrisy.

Like antisemitism, its overuse has rendered it toothless.


> Whataboutism is a word invented to deflect any criticism of western hypocrisy.

Factually false. It's a logical fallacy, because you're attempting to manipulate the audience without actually responding to the claim.

> Like antisemitism, its overuse has rendered it toothless.

Also factually false. "Antisemitism" has no agreed-upon definition. "Whataboutism" has a very concrete and well agreed-upon definition: deflecting a an argument by responding with a counter-accusation that is intended to mirror the perceived accusation.

Your whole comment as manipulative, though, so it's not surprising that you would get the definition wrong.


So it’s like ”Russophobia”? :-)


Eh, Russophobia is also funny, as it is typically applied to those that hate Russia, as opposed to those that fear Russia.

"Putin's apologist" as a smear on those who reject the mainstream narrative about Ukraine war (even if highly critical of Russia/Putin) is a better match.


Whataboutism doesn’t make the what about claim untrue.


When’s the last time the US forcibly annexed land from a neighboring country? Crimea is Ukrainian


The US has used force to unilaterally remove two heads of state this year, and is enforcing a blockade on Cuba that is wreaking havoc in an attempt to remove a third head of state.

That Russia is worse should not shield the US from criticism.


I don’t disagree, just responded to a whataboutism with another


I was responding directly to a question that you asked. Why in the world is that whataboutism?


The US forcibly annexed Venezuelan oil six months ago


I mean, they are trying


The USA prefers soft annexation. Annexation lite. A kinder gentler annexation.

Preferably somewhere with a suitably powerless population like Greenland or Gaza.

Randomly shooting up small boats also demonstrates our lawless intentions at limited risk.

It's colonialism for cowards. Looks great on social media.


> Qatar was manifestly unsuitable

Every stadium was within a 30 mile radius and fans reported a clean, safe experience. Sounds like a good place for a tournament to me.


Is it now?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60867042

> 50 foreign labourers died and more than 500 others were seriously injured in 2021 alone, while another 37,600 suffered mild to moderate injuries.



Yeah it was a shame all the deaths and human rights abuse happened as well, but hey we can't let that diminish the glory of the world cup /s


> Hard to think of a modern institution as corrupt as fifa

IOC is about the only organisation that comes close to it I think.


In the Dictator's Handbook the authors argued that FIFA and IOC function similar to autocratic dictatorships because there is a small group of people who are essential to power. Therefore it is rational to buy them rather than do the right thing by the fans (who have very little power). As cold as the reasoning is, the explanation stuck with me.

Their suggestion is to open up the power structure, e.g. to all past players/Olympians.


> Therefore it is rational to buy them rather than do the right thing by the fans (who have very little power)

The problem withthis is that FIFA/IOC _rely_ on the athletes, players and countries, but none of those make any money so they _can't_ be bought. The prestige and honor is the reason to compete in the world cup/olympics, and money won't change/fix that. See LIV golf for what happens when you try it.


FIA is getting there as well.


The FIA aren’t as bad (although I might be biased as an F1 fan). They’re certainly really really terrible at optics but at least everyone involved in that is making money out of it and aren’t under the illusion that they’re doing it for the clout.


Interestingly, both FIFA and IOC are headquartered in Switzerland, a country that is ranked by Transparency International as one least corrupt countries in the world… Draw you own conclusions.


Until recently Swiss banks were pretty famously a great place to do the kind of banking needed for global scale corruption. They still sort of are as long as none of the parties have told the bank that they are American.

Switzerland might not be corrupt, but they are fine with enabling it.


One of the least corrupt countries, whose attorney general had secret meetings with Infantino when in charge of an investigation of corruption in FIFA.


The Corruption Perception Index only ranks the public sector.


A common factor seems rather that international sports orgs are often very corrupt. Would be interesting to understand why it happens systematically. Lack of good governance structures must be part of it.


I think fundamental issue is that only people who want power, money or influence get involved at highest levels. For rest operating at grass roots or slightly higher and having local impact is more important. Farther you move from there more power hungry and less passionate about underlying thing the people get.


Oh boy I couldn’t disagree more. Grassroots and local sports is absolutely plagued with politics, favouritism and corruption. Ask anyone who has been on the committee or coaching for their local kids soccer/athletics/hurling (in my case) teams - what goes on is absolutely criminal.


bribery until recently was legal in Switzerland.


Probably the same way it was in Germany: in some foreign countries, where it's the cost of doing business.

Switzerland has an unusually direct democracy, which keeps their house in order. Maybe it's also what allows Switzerland to benefit from crime and corruption without getting infected with the rot.


I will take the Swiss form of governance over any country's or model though.


The Olympic Committee comes pretty close, maybe even ahead of FIFA.


> Hard to think of a modern institution as corrupt as fifa.

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Doesn’t come remotely close


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