While this specific rename looks dumb, the map providers deal with this kind of things all the time. Big georgraphical features like rivers, lakes, seas, mountains and also borders are different from different perspectives (mostly country-based).
From outside of the US, I see "Lake Ontario (Lake America)" in Google Maps, the same way as with the Gulf of Mexico. I see "Persian Gulf (Arabian Gulf)" and "Sea of Japan (East Sea)".
Some names are given from one perspective (like rivers and mountains), like Rio Grande river or Mt Everest.
Can you shed some light on what's the deal with the new interface (web/desktop)?
I updated one of my opencode containers today and had to downgrade it back because:
1. Worktree/workspace support is gone altogether. No way for agent to work in parallel on different things safely except prompting it directly to create a worktree.
2. Seeing multiple sessions properly now requires opening tabs for those?
3. In general, switching between several projects/sessions/whatever stopped working, and command palette is hotkey-only.
Issues about the new design just sit in an endless unsolved pile on GitHub which seems hopeless. And an agressive stale bot is not helping with that.
I came to OpenCode because it seemed hackable and simple, and at this point it seems like a "move fast break a lot" project that you got to live with.
(rant over, sorry if this is addressed to the wrong person, just needed to vent a bit)
Workspace support is being worked on, it was half-implemented before, so we are taking a proper pass at it now.
For switching between sessions, can you tell me about your workflow from before? Because a tab can hold a session from any project. Are you saying that opening up a tab is too heavy of an action?
GitHub issues though has been a problem from us, we deal with a ton of noise/spam.
I'm in the same boat as the parent comment. OpenCode has been my daily driver for a while (love the custom agents that I can easily create).
I'm working at the same time with 3-4 different projects and multiple tasks inside the same project.
Earlier with the sidebar I could easily go back to review previous chats, as I'm often working on multiple separate but somewhat connected tasks inside the same branch. Having just a tab for context is both visually limiting (personal preference probably).
The worktree support could use a configuration for setup, running and teardown (look at Jean for that - works pretty well) as a way to have more complex setup. In my case with Rails + Vue apps, each worktree would then have separate db, rails+vite ports, etc so that I can visually check multiple completed tasks in isolation.
As for switching between sessions — it's the hierarchy that's lost on tabs.
in 1.17 I get basically a three-level hierarchy: project -> workspace -> session
I could say I rarely use more than one session per workspace (not including subagents), but switching between projects as totally separate contexts works good.
Tabs on the other hand are less organized, I can see them being fine for sessions in one project (although sidebar is more ergonomical on both desktop and mobile)
Keep in mind that this is coming from someone who has a live browser tab counter website: https://tabs.evtn.me/
And it was chaotic like that a year ago when I tried it for a month. By itself it’s kind of competing with large players but unstable. And to get any useful work out of it you need additional stuff on top like ‘ohmyopencode’, which brings its own bucket of pain. I’m glad I’ve moved on.
I have no problem with AI as-is, but writing should be concise and to the point, and without heavy tweaking current models write pretentious hard-to-read stuff like this article.
A person who has something to say often has trouble stopping writing. Outsourcing writing to AI then feels like the opposite, as if the author doesn't care but wants to just spew some content.
I personally encode flacs as 192/256k opus from the start and that's fairly enough for most data save purposes, so no reencode for streaming is needed
that's a bitrate of 1GB per 9-12h, and for cases when it's too much I just have cached music on my device (I'm lucky to have mostly empty storage on my 256gb phone)
at least bun vibe-coded rust rewrite had a test suite (which doesn't justify it)
we're all very grateful for cool toolchains and tools but I think people wouldn't even poke a stick at it if it doesn't pass a huge test suite (that is not vibe-coded, probably nodejs test suite if they have one?).
Well, language is not really required for thinking and conscious experiences, a huge chunk of people don't even have an internal monologue, and some (that'd be me) don't have any "byproducts" of thought process.
Though there are recent experiments showing that unconscious brain retains language processing abilities [1], so the two might be as well independent systems
IMO it's far more likely that people don't agree on what it means to "have an internal monologue" than that people actually bifurcate that dramatically on cognition. Surely there are some people with an actual difference from baseline, but I don't think it's the near-equal split that seems to appear when you just ask people about internal monologue
This is in contrast with aphantasia (complete lack of mental imagery) which can be correlated with outwardly detectable responses. E.g. people who can imagine mental images will dilate pupils when imagining a bright light with eyes closed, while people with aphantasia will not. Not sure there's an analog for internal monologue but if anyone.
I don't think a bifurcation of cognition is necessary to explain this. You get both people who claim to always think with words (to the point where they don't understand how it's possible to think without one), and people who claim never to outside of linguistic tasks like writing (to the point where they need "internal monologue" explained to them). In my experience, if you get down to it -- most people will have experienced cases of the thought preceding the word (you can skip the word, or not, but either way it demonstrates a thought without a word) and of the word preceding the thought (people who claim not to have an internal monologue will usually still do this sometimes when writing).
It's just that subvocalization is one powerful technique for organizing thoughts, but not the only one. If you had a swimmer who only ever learned the crawl stroke (freestyle), they might wonder how someone can swim without it. The difference, of course, is that the breaststroke is a demonstrable physical act whereas cognitive techniques are not. The monologuers are just more practiced at subvocalization-based reasoning, and the non-monologuers are more practiced at other types.
It's not that hard to exert limited control over which technique you're using -- and I think there are multiple nonverbal techniques. I'd encourage people to explore the space a bit. Subvocalization-first approaches are very good for linear progressions, whereas subvocalization-last (or never) approaches are usually better for big-picture reasoning.
I still think it's far more likely that people aren't describing the same thing. People are very, very bad at interpreting and experiencing their mind's inner workings. Then getting them to describe and compare those inner workings is, IMO, largely a fool's errand. I'll wait until someone develops an external validation of this to believe it.
I say this as someone who pays a lot of attention to my mind's inner workings (meditation etc, near-complete aphantasic) and the more I pay attention to the inner workings, the less I know the answer to whether or not I have an inner monologue.
> I still think it's far more likely that people aren't describing the same thing. People are very, very bad at interpreting and experiencing their mind's inner workings.
Are you thinking that the term "internal monologue" is being interpreted too literally and that any system of organized thought, even one without the apparent usage of words, could still be considered an internal monologue?
Well, I can't say for the general population, but for me there's just nothing unless I actively try to think of words, sentences and other things. One moment you don't have an idea and the next you do, like a state switch.
I really feel like humans argue too much about how computer programs think and at the same time too little about how humans think. The topic is criminally underresearched and the existing research is all over the place.
You make it sound like there are no ideas until words arrive? For me, my normal ground state is full of thinking that is not linguistic. My mode switch is more like having to turn on the whole language subsystem and pay attention to it, often to the detriment of my native concentration.
When I do think with words, it is usually something I am manipulating with a purpose. It is not the thoughts themselves. I have a thought, and I attempt to render it into words.
Outside of recollection of past speech, it is extremely rare for me to feel like words arrive with a thought I wasn't already holding. Most often, it happens when making jokes and puns in real-time. I am in a mood to be playful, and may have a vague feeling that there is something funny to interject, but cannot separate it from the word combination that comes to mind.
But I can't really think and deliberate verbally. It feels like an act of puppetry.
No, I actually say that there are no words unless I think of them. Ideas appear out of nowhere and are made of nothing, like they just are integral part of my mind state
I'm very reluctant to believe people when they say they don't have an internal monologue. Studies on the matter all appear to rely on self-reported data, not objective measurements. It's been shown that electromyography can be used to measure myoelectric signals produced when a person subvocalizes their speech (i.e. an inner monologue). It works well enough to reconstruct and synthesize that speech.
So we could test this objectively, and I'm not sure why we haven't.
I'm not sure what you think all these people have to gain from tricking you. I have no internal monologue. None whatsoever. If I have something like an internal monologue I don't have any conscious access to it at all. When I want to think through a spatial type problem, I can visualize shapes, images, rotations, relationships, etc but it has no verbal component. If I want to think through a text or verbal heavy task, like perhaps planning some code, I type it out. I do have intrusive thoughts but they are in the form of memories of a thing that happened or simulations of something that could happen, I guess. I most surely do not have an internal narrator or anything that approaches any kind of inner verbal life.
> I'm not sure what you think all these people have to gain from tricking you.
Asking for objective evidence of a phenomenon being self-reported by enough people to make the news isn't really about me. I don't know why you're being defensive in a thread that wasn't directed at you, but this is not a good sign.
> I'm not sure what you think all these people have to gain from tricking you.
Your very first response is attacking me, not an argument I've made.
> Weird that you go right to assuming everyone who doesn't agree with you is defensive.
Your second response is also attacking me, not an argument I've made.
> I think you need to recalibrate your outrage sensors.
I'm not outraged at all.
> You said a thing doesn't exist.
I'm assuming by "thing" you mean "people with no inner monologue", and I have not claimed they don't exist, I made a statement concerning my disbelief. There is a difference.
> I pointed out that the thing does, in fact, exist.
Your claim that you experience this should be verified before we accept it as a scientific fact. If that were not the case, telepathy would be considered a fact.
These responses from you have made me even more suspicious of the veracity of your claims. Again, not outraged, just wish to verify what is true.
A person who is honest about their experiences, and has reported those as fact, should welcome verification.. you've clearly decided against that.
Because most people I know can read without mouthing the words. At any rate, we can just test both cases if people who claim one or the other are willing.
I'm not sure why this seems like a problem, or why you have to criticize my default position, but my own personal views on the matter aren't important here.
I don't see how reading has anything to do with internal monologue. Do you hear the words you read when reading? If so, it surely has to be slow as hell.
I did get relatively good scores in reading speed back in primary/middle school when we took such tests, so maybe there's an explanation. At the same time, writing/speaking is a very resource-intensive task for me so I tend to be silent a lot (and then drop a pile of sentences on the unsuspecting people I'm with)
well, all the same, I think we should verify these claims .. I think part of the pushback to this is that it might make a group of people look dishonest if we can in fact detect subvocalization in people who have made this claim, but it's entirely possible that you are experiencing both and not realizing it. A bifurcation of sorts? In any event, we should support/expect further testing.
This is in the same vein to what I wanted to say here as well - I find it very likely that people with no internal monologue are executing similar mental processes, just without them being so “front and center” in the mind.
not everyone is aware of the "methodology", they just think it through, some however have an executive layer to cognition vs reflex.
imnot sure enough to form an opinion quite yet but thinking about thinking, modifying the methods of cognition, may be a learned skill, perhaps with a developmental window.
a comparison between extroverts and introverts [1] for perceived modality of cognition might be interesting.
it may very well be that a difference in neural development is the cause of this disparity.
1] this is about focus on internal conceptualization vs external perceptualization.
myself, i think in terms of a mono/dialogue if i am preparing to disseminate.
if i am thinking for my own benefit i percieve it as idetic imagery and run thought experiments to qualify for IRL candidacy.
> myself, i think in terms of a mono/dialogue if i am preparing to disseminate.
> if i am thinking for my own benefit i percieve it as idetic imagery and run thought experiments to qualify for IRL candidacy.
I’m very similar personally, though I often have background dialogues going over “sub threads” of whatever I’m thinking about.
I have also wondered if people who say they don’t have this kind of thought process actually do - but the real difference is that for some reason it persists in memory for us, whereas it is immediately discarded for them, leaving only the result.
I scored a 68 on the VVIQ and I can watch my pupils dilate in response to me 'seeing' something in my mind. It doesn't have to be a bright light in my mind's eye, I can imagine something that would trigger a fight or flight response and make the same thing happen.
Yeah this is another test they use: imagine something frightening and "normal people" will get clammy hands and elevated heart rates while aphantasics will not
My mom has aphantasia and we were both shocked to discover it even exists.
She saw something about it online and then started asking everyone in the family if they could picture an apple in their mind. We all said - yes of course, what are you talking about?
And she said, "When you say the word apple, I think of the concept of an apple. It's juicy. It's crisp. It's red, etc, but I don't SEE an apple. I just know what it is."
She had no concept that other people literally saw the apple and I had no concept that people couldn't see the apple.
I asked her what she thought the phrase "in your minds eye" meant for her entire life and she said she thought it just meant exactly what she was describing and not literally seeing anything...
Yeah this was my experience too as a near-complete aphantasic. Doing the apple test around the dinner table was enlightening, and it also made a whole lot of other things make sense through my life as well: I have virtually no concrete memories from a first-person point of view (I remember the fact that events happened, I do not remember subjectively being there)
It's unfortunately very insulting when someone says, "hey remember when we did that very important thing together?" and my answer has always been "uhh... I remember that we did it?"
That's so interesting to me! I actually have a terrible memory for events and names so my answer is almost always - sort of. So I can visualize an apple, but if you say - remember that time we went apple picking with Greg? I might only vaguely remember that, and not know who Greg is.
But, if you showed me a picture of Greg I would probably say - oh that's that guy we went apple picking with. Why did we do that?
Human level thinking and conscious experience aren't required for language. Dogs understand spoken words and gestures. They're also pretty good at making themselves understood through noises and body language. Humans have better hardware than dogs for making noises.
I could see language development bootstrapping abstract thinking over generations in humans.
Is it really? LLMs don't have words inside, for the most part they operate by applying transformations to a vector that does not contain any words at all. Words that come out of an LLM are just what sampler gives us by looking at the vector that is the result of those transformations.
Does this vector contain a world model? Some form of thoughts or reasoning to arrive at the result? That's an open question really.
Sure, rerunning that whole process for each token might not be the best solution, although that's an open question too. But saying that LLMs operate on words first is too big of an oversimplification
>Does this vector contain a world model? Some form of thoughts or reasoning to arrive at the result? That's an open question really.
It is, but it has been explored in various forms. Anthropic have some interesting papers where they can map out concepts to some extent as they exist inside the vectors of the LLM, and they can see e.g. that vectors relating to some concept can appear there some iterations before the LLM emits the tokens that spell it out. (though also, quite frankly, this shouldn't be all that surprising. If they were just picking the next token with no representation of what might follow it the result would be more like the 'one-word-at-a-time' party game than coherent text. They used poetry with a rhyming scheme as an example because it's something where you need to have some idea of what might rhyme with the line before and aim at it at the start of the next line in order to have any degree of success).
(leaving out cases where your genius GPT-12 Galaxy Ultra agent hacks the sandboxing from inside)
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