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> Geez, I hope you do not pay give any money to Google, Microsoft and such.

Yes? I have been divesting from big tech. Not only do I feel good about it but the side effects have been positive too.


Yet Mullvad is small tech. These people work at non-Mullvad small-tech all the same. Such people work everywhere.


So have I and I'm using lots of OSS by people and groups that I'm politically, ethically, morally and whatever else-ly incompatible with and yet they build great stuff for free without restricting me and my use of it. If my revenue allows for it I'll gladly donate to all of them for their work (that is also running my side gig and homelab) without looking into their spending OT donation habits.

I'll happily keep on listening to radical left punk, RAC/rock against Communism as well as anti fascist and NS Black Metal as long as the music moves me.

I can't go around judging all day. Wherever I spend money, I'll probably disagree with 99% of what the people at the receiving end will do with it.


Yes, I check whether my local bakery is run by people with hateful politics.


Yet do you check the same for the company that manufactures your electronic devices, clothes, food, and provides your entertainment?

I think you'll find people tend to disagree on quite a great deal in aggregate.


This isn't an all or nothing approach. People can exercise the options they have without being a puritanical crazy about it. This isn't a strong argument. You can protest about how society is structured while still taking part it in.


In fact, the politics of my local bakery are among the easiest to be aware of! These people are telling on themselves.


There is a thing called political power. The local baker may be the most vile racist out there but he cannot affect my life. The CEO bank rolling a political party can


If the local baker is a racist, then I'll buy my bread elsewhere. It's pretty simple.


You don't think there's a difference between a founder and a random employee?


Also, the concentration of service cost to political affiliation is much higher here.


Their CEOs and the tech megacorps have been openly supporting Trump and financing both him personally and his political projects. There is no ambiguity in that at all.


As I am strongly against that as well.


Why shouldn't someone divest from big tech companies if they think they are harmful?

If I found out that my local bakery was funding regressive far-right politics, I absolutely would stop going to that bakery.

These are silly questions with easy answers if you have basic moral standards. By mocking people for having standards, you just reveal you lack them yourself.


> [Bad companies] have many employees and I am sure some of them donate to causes you would disagree with using (part of) the money you gave to those companies.

People keep saying these things and I simply don't understand this at all. For sure some of my money goes to things I don't want to support, but for the money I can control and know where it's going without doing active research (though that approach can be also used), and even if it's just what I get as info through newspapers, forums and news sites, it absolutely shouldn't get people who I think of a re extreme rascist (regardless of whether this applies in this specific case).


An employee is different from a cofounder.

For example, I certainly boycott anything to do with Elon Musk, for the same kinds of reasons.

You seem to be falling into the "perfect is the enemy of the good" trap. It's not possibly to perfectly boycott every person and organization that deserves to be sanctioned, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't do it where it is possible.


> do it where it is possible.

So lets only boycott small and inconsequential companies like Mullvad that are easily replaceable. However not companies like Apple, Intel or Nvidia etc. whose CEOs have expressed their personal admiration of Trump and supported him financially because it would not be very convenient?

To be fair that seems to be reasonably rational i.e. anthropomorphising lawnmowers is a fool’s errand while its feasible to actually make a difference in cases like this


I don't use Apple, Intel, Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp, Microsoft, Nvidia, X, Starlink. I'm working on dropping Google currently, since I made the mistake of listening to a friend and switching to Gmail years ago. I don't own a car.

I know that I'm an outlier but that doesn't matter to me. People can express their own moral (or immoral) choices, I can't control that. But don't tell me there's nothing you can do.


You're missing the fact that Daniel is almost singlehandedly funding the Örebro Party.


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I'd be among the first customers. North Korean dough products look quite delicious. They don't even use GMOs.


North Korean donuts would be all hole.


Sure, there's no food production in NK. They all live off air.




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