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> The result of all this is that everyone will hate Israelis

Will? I don't know in which circle you evolve but that ship sailed a long time ago



Really depends on the country. E.g., Israel has enjoyed a lot of support from the US, both officially and in public opinion, until just the last couple years.


Very much.

For example here in Eastern Europe when people hear "Israeli" they tend to assume it means "Russian with Israeli passport, probably here to avoid sanctions or outbid locals on real estate".

I'm sure it's very different in Turkey or say Thailand where they have Israel-born Israeli tourists, and surely different in US (though I have no idea what it is).


I am from Eastern Europe and people here "assumed" a lot of things about Jews way before Israel was even a thing. Let's not pretend Eastern Europeans would have loved Jews if it weren't for "Israel".


Yes, but within Eastern Europe acceptance of Jews is generally higher than acceptance of Muslims, based on polling.

Many non-Israeli Jews view Israel's actions as abhorent, particularly younger Jews.

Being associated with Israel over the last few years must be a very uncomfortable place to be.


> Many non-Israeli Jews view Israel's actions as abhorent, particularly younger Jews.

And this comes of your own polling? As a non-Israeli Jew, I've seen quite the opposite. They closed ranks in the face of an external threat, especially the younger ones. Ignore Hollywood and Hannah Einbinders of the world - that is not the reality.


Re: Eastern Europe - I was referring to the Pew Research Center survey conducted across 34 European countries in 2015–17.

Re: attitudes of younger Jews I'm really referring to Non-Americans (Americans are a special case). With American Jews the age gradient effect is there, but I don't know about the impact of the last couple of years.

Take data points in Europe and attitudes are marked and there is data to support that Israel's recent actions are absolutely being rejected by younger Jews.

News media is considered more reliable in Europe over the US (by measures of the population) so that could certainly be playing into it.


> News media is considered more reliable in Europe over the US

That sounds like nonsense.


Based on data, the American population distrusts is own news media more than the European population distrusts its news media (markedly so if you consider only Western Europe). In 2026, only 25% of Americans said they trusted news overall [Reuters]

The European media landscape differs - a recent study covering 24 European markets found that experts' assessments of accuracy broadly matched public trust: outlets regarded by experts as providing accurate information backed by credible sources tended to be the outlets the public trusted most. Public-service media generally scored particularly well.

The American population also considers its own news media much more partisan than Europeans consider their news media. Americans are more likely to inhabit separate information ecosystems (which by their very nature makes them less factual and more political - ie they are looking for what they want to hear).


"47% of [American] Jews now view the Israeli government favorably, down from 54% [in 2024]."

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2026/07/09/americans...


From the article:

How did we do this?

This analysis includes findings from a survey of 12,574 U.S. adults, 10,091 of whom are part of the Center’s American Trends Panel (ATP). The remaining 2,483 respondents include oversamples of Jews, Muslims and Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints members from SSRS’ Opinion Panel, Ipsos’ KnowledgePanel and NORC’s AmeriSpeak Panel. We conducted the survey May 4-17, 2026, and it has an overall margin of error of plus or minus 1.3 percentage points.

They drew conclusions about Jews from subset of Jews from 2,483 respondents that included an unknown amount of Jews, Muslims, Mormons, and whoever is a member of Ipsos’ KnowledgePanel and NORC’s AmeriSpeak Panel. I am not sure this is especially representative.

Even so, I don't know if I would characterize 54 to 47 as viewing as "abhorrent" as OP said.


They also say "We weren’t able to survey enough Muslims to show how their views differ by age", so I guess the number of Jews isn't that much below 2,483. According to Gemini that already gives +-2% margin of error, which sounds good enough to me.

> Even so, I don't know if I would characterize 54 to 47 as viewing as "abhorrent" as OP said.

Agreed, also not quite "closed ranks" though. Exactly in between I guess.


I was referring to Jews outside the US, although I appreciate most Jews outside Israel live in the US (you were referring to Eastern Europe).

I'd agree that within the US opinions differ markedly, which I think is likely in part strongly related to differences in news media environment.


I'm also a non-Israeli Jew, and here in the US, disapproval of Israel amongst Jews has risen, especially amongst the young.

According to an AP-NORC poll (https://apnorc.org/projects/among-american-jews-views-on-jew...):

> "Thirty-seven percent of Jews under age 45 say Israel has committed genocide in Gaza compared to 23% of those 45 or older".

The exact level of support varies based on age, secularity, and poll question phrasing, but across the board, US Jewish support for Israel is down.

Maybe not in your country, but definitely in the US.


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It probably doesn't help that Israel lobbied to outlaw peaceful protest like boycotts, divestment and sanctions in many US states.


What are you, a mind-reader? Skip the politics - it isn't about that. Merely that statements about 'everyone' are crap. If using 'everyone' is a figure of speech then time to junk it in this kind of context.


European here with little political knowledge. I thought Israel is just some kind of liberal safe space, I am still sometimes confused what it appears to really be but try to avoid having a strong opinion either way.


same thoughts, but appears to be unavoidable now.


I always imagine apolitical people looking at a mushroom cloud thinking to themselves "perhaps I should've been more political" moments before their atoms drift apart.


I am not apolotical, how could one be really? It's more like the whole topic is so full of hate, propaganda, missleading information from all sides that it's either I spend a few weeks or months reading into the history of it or I better don't develop a strong opinion because I likely would be wrong in many points.

No idea where everyone is taking the time from to read up the whole history of things when they publicly propagate their strong opinions about all these complex situations.

To clarify I have an opinion, but I am aware that my opinion is only based on some obvious facts and ignores a lot of the history, so I don't consider it worth fighting for.


It's complicated... but people don't like the mass bombing of kids.

That's not complicated.


I get where you are going at, but in the conflict we talk about I am pretty sure both sides are killing children right now. So still complicated.

So is the US bombing children in Iran and many other countries in the past years. Is the US the pure evil now? Maybe, but I don't claim to have a final opinion there either


It's not that complicated.

123 died in Iran School bombing event.

At least 21,600 Gazan children have died since the beginning of the war [UNICEF] in many events over a long period of time.

21,600 > 123

(Both involved US tax dollars)


Puhh those numbers are sooooo much higher in reality. Just abrubtly defunding USAID alone killed over 600,000+ people two thirds children.

https://archive.ph/Im0GE


I agree that aid saves lives and support it, and think some of the people behind cutting it are basically evil...

... but the ethical difference between not giving something to kids versus dropping bombs on kids isn't hard to spot.


> about all these complex situations

It depends on which side we are on, that determines how the conflict needs to be sold to the on average decent but apolitical person like yourself. As allied against nazis? Not complicated. Fighting russia's invasion of Ukraine? Not complicated. Fighting against Palestinian resistance to their genocide? Complicated. But like South African apartheid turned from complicated to simple over a few decades so you will be dragged along eventually by us "political" people.

It even works with other things too, like people starving on the streets or ~25k people dying from no health care every year, its "complicated", it will always be complicated (until it isn't).


I hope you are right, until then I just hope people would stop killing each other at this rapid rate


Perhaps in 20 years from now you can remember to think about if you made the right choice today and if your opposition rather than apathy wouldn't have prevented some of the killings. You know for the next genocide supported by our government.




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